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    <title>Comments for RSS 2 Dates and Such</title>
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    <id>tag:bradchoate.com,2003://4.1634-comment:1236</id>
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    <title>Comment from Timothy Appnel on 2003-06-21</title>
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        <name>Timothy Appnel</name>
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        The <a href="http://dublincore.org/documents/1999/07/02/dces/" rel="nofollow">Dublin Core specification</a> that the dc module is built on defines the use of date as, "Typically, Date will be associated with the creation or availability of the resource." It could be better defined, but it does resolve a certain amount of potential confusion. ]]>
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    <published>2003-06-21T18:21:57Z</published>
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    <id>tag:bradchoate.com,2003://4.1634-comment:1237</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mark on 2003-06-21</title>
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        <name>Mark</name>
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        The key fact you're missing is that RSS consumers that care about dates have always needed to support Dublin Core, because it's the only way to express dates in RSS 1.0 feeds.]]>
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    <published>2003-06-21T19:05:43Z</published>
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    <id>tag:bradchoate.com,2003://4.1634-comment:1238</id>
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    <title>Comment from Dave Winer on 2003-06-21</title>
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        <name>Dave Winer</name>
        <uri>http://www.scripting.com/</uri>
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        It was worth it to do the little funky dance with you guys. Smart people, you're figuring it out. Excellent.

<p>PS to Mark: I don't think you do have to support dc:date. Dates are not absolutely required to deal with a RSS feed. After all at the item level 0.91 didn't have them at all, and a lot of feeds are in that format. If an aggregator is going to work with those feeds it has to do something meaningful with items with no pubDates.</p>

<p>Brad: People weren't studying the spec, as you say you are doing now. That's what I realized when I looked at how otherwise intelligent people were mangling RSS. Not just well-formed manglings, but (for example) 0.91 feeds with guids (that's not cool, guid didn't come in until 2.0). </p>

<p>Mark: Prior art is everything. The rule for evolution from 0.91 to 0.92 to 2.0 is that everything new is optional and if you put a 2.0 version number on a 0.91 file you get a valid 2.0 file.</p>

<p>Anyway, it feels like this discussion is going somewhere. Happy about that.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-06-21T20:06:45Z</published>
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    <id>tag:bradchoate.com,2003://4.1634-comment:1239</id>
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    <title>Comment from Brad Choate on 2003-06-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Brad Choate</name>
        <uri>http://www.bradchoate.com/</uri>
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        Tim: Alright-- can you explain how to use the dc:date tag to identify both RSS 2 date elements defined for the channel element?

<p>Mark: Did I mention RSS 1.0 at all? My hypothetical RSS 2.0 reader was built to just read RSS 2.0 files. Without consideration of namespaces, it wouldn't be able to date entries unless pubDate is present in the feed. In such a case, I would consider that a failing in the RSS 2.0 feed, not in the reader.</p>

<p>Dave: I admit I've been largely oblivious to all this until recently. I've heard bits and pieces of the discussions (I would guess a lot of webloggers fall into this category).</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-06-21T22:17:23Z</published>
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    <id>tag:bradchoate.com,2003://4.1634-comment:1240</id>
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    <title>Comment from Timothy Appnel on 2003-06-21</title>
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        <name>Timothy Appnel</name>
        <uri>http://tima.mplode.com</uri>
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        dc:date and dcterms:modified. 

<p>dcterms:modified uses the 8601 format like dc:date. I find that the HTTP 1.1 Last-Modified is more useful then the dcterms:modified date simply because its easier to obtain even if its not totally accurate.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-06-22T06:35:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jocbrut on 2003-06-23</title>
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        <name>jocbrut</name>
        <uri>http://www.tematics.net</uri>
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        thanks for the info]]>
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    <published>2003-06-23T12:17:50Z</published>
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    <id>tag:bradchoate.com,2003://4.1634-ping:874</id>
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    <title>Enough Funkyness</title>
    <author>
        <name>Observations</name>
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        Hey, it may be funky, but my RSS 2 feed validates....
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    <published>2003-06-21T20:55:33Z</published>
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    <id>tag:bradchoate.com,2003://4.1634-ping:879</id>
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    <title>The Funk that Won&apos;t Go Away</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rodent Regatta</name>
        <uri>http://www.rodentregatta.com/archives/004643.php</uri>
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        A long debate began last week concerning RSS feeds and the formatting of those feeds. Apparently, each feed is made...
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    <published>2003-06-23T16:43:35Z</published>
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    <title>RSS 2 Dates and Such</title>
    <author>
        <name>Roland Tanglao&apos;s Weblog</name>
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        (SOURCE:&quot;scripting news&quot;)- This seems reasonable to me.
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    <published>2003-09-15T14:03:21Z</published>
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