Comments for E-mail needs a kick to the head

Comment from Arve on 2003-02-20

2003-02-21T03:20:11Z

Hm. For some reason the trackback ping I sent didn't show up here. Since I hope my experience is useful: I have found an e-mail client that actually works. ]]>

Comment from David Raynes on 2003-02-21

2003-02-21T09:14:43Z

All I'll say is that I love Mutt. With all the mailing lists that I'm on, I'd give up if I didn't have it's threading feature.]]>

Comment from hdanniel on 2003-02-21

2003-02-21T09:23:54Z

I totally agree with Arve. Did you try M2?. Ok, the threading feature is missing but when i read the other features you need i thought on M2. And the spam filter works fine too.]]>

Comment from Arve on 2003-02-21

2003-02-21T10:03:31Z

M2 does thread mail. On the top row, there is a few icons. The leftmost two of these toggle between flat and threaded mode. You can alternatively press "View", next to "Quick find".]]>

Comment from Brad Choate on 2003-02-21

2003-02-21T10:23:18Z

I took a look at M2 tonight. Pretty nice. I like the persistent searches, the label options, etc. It has the automatic threading, but no way to thread manually.

And maybe I'm doing something wrong, but the date filtering doesn't seem to be working. If I set it to just view 'Today', it's still showing all e-mail messages, regardless of date. It also doesn't seem to preserve the sort order (I have to keep restoring the order to the 'Sent' column from newest to oldest).

And what's the deal with the columns? I can't resize them? And for some reason it didn't process any attachments properly. Does it not like my IMAP server (Courier IMAP) or something? None of the other e-mail clients I've used have had any problem with it.

Still, it looks pretty cool. I'll have to watch for the next point release. Hopefully some of these bugs will get squashed by then.

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Comment from milbertus on 2003-02-21

2003-02-21T23:48:55Z

Now that you mention it, e-mail clients could have a lot of improvments to just make them work. I sadly don't know of any clients for you to try (I use Outlook, which is "good enough"), but I'm very interested in a SQL-based mail client. It could even allow the user to write SQL queries to define views, and possibly a "view writer", which would do the work of writing the SQL for you.

If only I had the time to write such a thing....

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Comment from jfournier on 2003-02-21

2003-02-22T05:18:41Z

Even though it's old, and not for singular use, lotus notes provides all of these features (I think). I know it stores all email as a database, and I know you can design views, etc against it. It also supports permissions on the database so that certain email can eb shared with others, etc. It does threaded email, etc, shows all messages with attachements, and more. Hard to get used to, but an interesting client.]]>

Comment from Ole on 2003-02-22

2003-02-22T20:28:42Z

Brad, have you heard about Zoe (http://guests.evectors.it/zoe/)? I never tried it myself, so I don't really know what I'm talking about. And I don't know how many of your requests it addresses.

But Zoe's approach is very interesting: "to do for email what Google did for the web": simple interface, no hierarchical organisation whatsoever, you simply tell it what you're looking for and Zoe will display it.

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Comment from Owen on 2003-02-22

2003-02-23T02:39:58Z

I actually find Mail.app (under OS X) works very well for this. While it still maintains the folder paradigm, Apple has integrated their "search-anything" idea into it. I find it very useful to be able to dynamically search my messages, and to have them ranked by relevance.]]>

Comment from Andrew Hill on 2003-02-24

2003-02-24T15:01:42Z

http://ximian.com/products/evolution/

Althought it's for linux, Ximian Evolution definitely meets a lot of your demands. It looks like a MS Outlook clone at first, but it's worked wonders for my inbox.

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Comment from Ian on 2003-02-25

2003-02-25T23:06:11Z

I have played with both Zoe and M2, seduced by the database nature of these products. Zoe is fantastic, client/server structure, SMTP proxy to allow remote collection of sent mails. The server means you have an effective web-access mail database. It can group and relate mails based on domains, and seperates out mailing lists, and groups attachments for the day. It is really worth playing with, but I did miss the more flexible (tangible) nature of a local client, which is where M2 steps in.

M2 really is great, I agree with everything Arve mentions in his post, having a client that easily and dynamically threads recieved/sent mail with my contacts without building multiple filters (even in a great client like The Bat!) is wonderful. But I also find the missing functionality in the Opera 7 UI persistently annoying (e.g. remember ascending/descending sort orders over sessions). I really do hope these small UI issues get resolved, as it will make M2 (which is a tiny 180kb! .DLL) perfect (oh, and a commandline switch to start Opera in 'mail' mode).

note:All these database options don't seems to use generic storage formats, thus making possible future migration away from them potentially problematic

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E-mail: Solved

2003-02-21T03:04:27Z

Brad Choate wants a better E-mail client. I can understand him. For a long time, I thought e-mail permanently had ended up in the land of uselessness.

E-mail: Solved

2003-02-21T03:05:58Z

Brad Choate wants a better E-mail client. I can understand him. For a long time, I thought e-mail permanently had ended up in the land of uselessness.

M2

2003-02-21T08:43:28Z

Brad Choate reclama la falta de innovaci�n en los programas de correo electr�nico y sugiere algunas caracter�sticas para lo que

M2

2003-02-21T08:45:35Z

Brad Choate reclama la falta de innovaci�n en los programas de correo electr�nico y sugiere algunas caracter�sticas para lo que

Better Email

2003-02-22T00:04:13Z

Brad Choate has a thought-provoking article on his dream email client, as well as his thoughts on a new client

Better Email

2003-02-22T00:07:24Z

Brad Choate has a thought-provoking article on his dream email client, as well as his thoughts on a new client

Email innovation

2003-02-23T09:27:46Z

Brad Choate: E-mail needs a kick to the head. It is amazing that there has not been more innovation. Bloomba

Blooma the Email software to remove clutter

2003-02-28T19:24:21Z

I came across this article while reading Brad Choates article. It comments on a new e-mail software "Blooma" which is

Blooma the Email software to remove clutter

2003-02-28T19:26:29Z

I came across this article while reading Brad Choates article. It comments on a new e-mail software "Blooma" which is

Blooma the Email software to remove clutter

2003-02-28T19:33:07Z

I came across this article while reading Brad Choates article. It comments on a new e-mail software "Blooma" which is

Email Hell

2003-05-01T15:38:13Z

"Why is there no mail program that works the way I want?", a refrain I've often used over the years. I switched from Communicator in 1997 after it lost some of my email, over to Pegasus, which worked, but wasn't